Comments on: Xpeng’s autonomous driving director, Candice Yuan: L4 self-driving is less complex than L2+ with human driver | INTERVIEW https://carnewschina.com/2025/09/17/xpengs-autonomous-driving-director-candice-yuan-l4-self-driving-is-less-complex-than-l2-with-human-driver-interview/ China Auto News Fri, 19 Sep 2025 03:14:03 +0000 hourly 1 By: Hart932 https://carnewschina.com/2025/09/17/xpengs-autonomous-driving-director-candice-yuan-l4-self-driving-is-less-complex-than-l2-with-human-driver-interview/#comment-639982 Fri, 19 Sep 2025 03:14:03 +0000 https://carnewschina.com/?p=237629#comment-639982 Candice is wrong to assume their L4 system can be deployed everywhere. The reason is the base AI driving examples are based on the Chinese way of driving. In EU & other countries, there are local driving codes that drivers follow like in merging traffic, which lane goes first & which lane goes second.

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By: Jiri Opletal https://carnewschina.com/2025/09/17/xpengs-autonomous-driving-director-candice-yuan-l4-self-driving-is-less-complex-than-l2-with-human-driver-interview/#comment-639975 Thu, 18 Sep 2025 17:07:00 +0000 https://carnewschina.com/?p=237629#comment-639975 In reply to Leo Breevoort.

Thanks, Leo! By the way, good to hear from you.

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By: Leo Breevoort https://carnewschina.com/2025/09/17/xpengs-autonomous-driving-director-candice-yuan-l4-self-driving-is-less-complex-than-l2-with-human-driver-interview/#comment-639973 Thu, 18 Sep 2025 13:26:22 +0000 https://carnewschina.com/?p=237629#comment-639973 In reply to SesameBun.

Isn't it that VLA uses visual images. The AI recognizes and interprates shapes. Lidar doesn't produces a visual image.

And maybe, as probably seen in the recent Dongchedi ADAS test, with Lidar as add-on you might introduce conflicting information. In that test some cars seemed indecisive, couldn't choose between merging and braking, and eventually plowed into a road works section.

By the way, Jiri, nice interview!

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By: Marco Rossi https://carnewschina.com/2025/09/17/xpengs-autonomous-driving-director-candice-yuan-l4-self-driving-is-less-complex-than-l2-with-human-driver-interview/#comment-639971 Thu, 18 Sep 2025 08:43:19 +0000 https://carnewschina.com/?p=237629#comment-639971 /// Because there is only visual input, we call it VLA – vision, language, action. Lidar data are different and can’t be absorbed by the AI system. That is why our system grows very, very fast, because we can train it on so much road data. ///

Seriously? China can use AI to recognize stealth submarine and you can't train AI with lidar data? Are you kidding, Candice Yuan? Better call Meng Hao.

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China anti-submarine technology: Research conducted by Meng Hao, which was published in the Electronics Optics & Control journal, identifies an AI-powered anti-submarine warfare (ASW) system that can detect even the most silent submarines. Working as a wise battle commander, the system combines information from sonar buoys, radar, underwater sensors, and oceanic factors like temperature and salinity."

Real reason? Price war.

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By: Needles Balloon https://carnewschina.com/2025/09/17/xpengs-autonomous-driving-director-candice-yuan-l4-self-driving-is-less-complex-than-l2-with-human-driver-interview/#comment-639968 Wed, 17 Sep 2025 20:02:36 +0000 https://carnewschina.com/?p=237629#comment-639968 In reply to SesameBun.

I think the problem is, as they hinted in the interview, it is hard to acquire Lidar or radar data to train models on compared to camera data.
Cameras are very standardized in the sense that they all detect the visible light spectrum in RGB in 4K resolution; even dashcam video might be useful for training. However, Lidars and radars have different abilities and resolutions, and I doubt it's easy to find good or useful data from competitor's cars to use for training, meaning at best you can get data from any XPeng sold that was equipped with Lidar; a much smaller population.

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By: SesameBun https://carnewschina.com/2025/09/17/xpengs-autonomous-driving-director-candice-yuan-l4-self-driving-is-less-complex-than-l2-with-human-driver-interview/#comment-639967 Wed, 17 Sep 2025 14:29:03 +0000 https://carnewschina.com/?p=237629#comment-639967 Very interesting to have this insight, thank you for doing the interview.
i understand Ms Yuans point about not needing to be "superman" that the human only drives with eyes, but why should a self driving car not aim to be superior to a human? Why accept the same limitations that humans have?

The lack of ability to utilise lidar for training appears to be a quite a flaw in the design, that a depth map is not created or used, however i am of course no expert. Hopefully the time will come soon where we can compare mass produced L4 vehicles with and without lidarr.

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